Annie Liao: I think with AI, like, anyone can run a startup with a very, very small, tight knit team. I think AI democratizes a lot of things, and one of those things is building a startup with a lot less resources than before. So, for example, maybe if you had to hire, like, three software engineers before, you now probably only have to hire one, and they can use, like, Cursor or Copilot tools.

Annie Liao: To increase their output.

Georgie Healy: Hello, and welcome to in the blink of an eye, where I took the brightest AI startups and innovators each week. I'm Georgie Healy, and this week I'm speaking to Annie Liao, the founder of BuildClub, the largest and fastest growing AI engineering and founder community. Now what to say about Ani that hasn't already been written about in every big media publication in Australia.

Georgie Healy: Literally just after this episode was recorded, Ani had a huge write up in Forbes under 30 article. But the hype around Annie is warranted. It's almost impossible to be an AI technical founder and have not heard or benefited from BuildClub. In this episode, we discuss the kinds of personas that are successful, what Aussie founders should do to grow and succeed, and the surprising things AI founders at BuildClub do.

Georgie Healy: If you've ever dabbled in AI and want to take the next step, or maybe you're completely non technical, but keen to know what it's like to join an AI community, check out BuildClub. This episode is a must listen.

Georgie Healy: Hello, Addy. Welcome to In a Blink of an Eye. Firstly, could you please introduce yourself and what Build Club aims to achieve?

Annie Liao: Awesome. Thanks, Georgie. Uh, really nice to be on this podcast. So Build Club, we're currently the largest and fastest growing AI engineer and founder community in APAC. And we're also, I'm not sure when this episode will launch, but about to launch our e learning platform too, with the aim to democratize access to AI.

Georgie Healy: Incredible. Um, how many AI startups have gone through BuildClub since you launched it?

Annie Liao: That's a really interesting question. I think a lot of the people in BuildClub actually end up tinkering on like multiple projects, but we do have more than 1. 5 thousand AI startup founders in BuildClub at the moment.

Annie Liao: Wow. A lot of them are either tinkering on like little side project startups and some of them are also progressed to at like series A stage too.

Georgie Healy: Incredible. So you've got some really technically proficient people come through. What if you were someone like myself, who's not got AI experience, but really passionate about learning?

Georgie Healy: Do you ask those kinds of people to go off and do some pre work before they can apply to join? How does that work?

Annie Liao: Yeah. So in the beginning of BuildColor, We kept it only to technical software engineer founders. I think our thesis behind that was because if everyone was at the same level of proficiency in AI, they would have a lot more to talk to each other about.

Annie Liao: I think over time as BuildClub grew beyond just a founder community, we found that a lot of people that want to learn AI want to join. I think like the amazing thing now with AI is you don't need to know how to code to be able to build like an app. There's a saying out there where English is almost like the new coding language and what we're looking to launch with like the platform is for people who are non technical, ways for them to also build really amazing things in AI, whether it be for their personal projects or even for In the workplace for them to use like specific AI tools.

Georgie Healy: Fascinating. Personally, I've been in a few accelerators and incubators myself. They range from, you know, you need to quit your day job and go all in on this to a few workshops in the week. The accelerator I'm. Involved in is like a bootcamp and then it's virtual for a few hours a week. What's the structure for build club?

Georgie Healy: What's the commitment level?

Annie Liao: So we're tinkered with a few different like program structures with build club. I think our thesis is always, it's very much for people choose your own adventure because we find that a lot of people in corporate jobs now always they like to tinker in AI, like on their weekends.

Annie Liao: The very first iteration of BuildClub, we just ran it on the weekends only. So it was mainly for people that currently work maybe at Atlassian or Canberra and are working on their own side projects, but usually maybe working at like a Starbucks cafe by themself. And we wanted to provide just a small space where a lot of people building could connect with each other and hopefully like help each other learn faster.

Annie Liao: So we run like a variety of programs. Now, because we're launching like a virtual platform, we're making it accessible to anyone 24 seven to join boot club. And we are still going to continue to run like more structured bootcamps. And the thesis behind the bootcamps is just to create more cohort based structure because a core part of build club has always been that human to human connection for people as they go on the learning journey.

Georgie Healy: Amazing. Okay. You have a fascinating career history. So taking a bit of a sidestep here, you've worn so many hats, but even very recently chief of staff at relevance AI and incredible AI startup. At the same time of being founder of build club, I guess I have two cheeky questions. How and how come?

Annie Liao: Yes.

Annie Liao: Honestly, a bit of a balancing act. So build club was founded when I was working in venture capital over a year ago now. And it was originally more of like a side hustle. The role opportunity came up at relevance, I think in late last year, actually was when I started talking to the founders and it actually took me Three weeks to accept the relevance role.

Annie Liao: Cause I was actually deciding on cause build club was growing quite quickly, but relevance has a really smart team and a really amazing vision and mission that they're working on. And at that time decided that I really want to go experience on the operator side and just to be like in a fast growing team environment.

Annie Liao: So I chose relevance and just continue to do book club on like nights and weekends. And recently The opportunity to go into build club full time came up in my gut. I just wanted to be able to like focus on one thing and do one thing really well. And build club is something I'm really passionate about.

Georgie Healy: Yeah. You're, you're amazing at it. And I'm not surprised. It was a good but difficult decision when you're given two amazing opportunities. Definitely understand. So your role as the founder of build club to people that don't know, this is. Like relatively new on the ecosystem and you're coming up against tech stars and love AWS and Google accelerators in some ways, right?

Georgie Healy: Like we're all targeting AI startups and founders. Was it a scary job? Like ultimately. You know, launching an accelerator. I apologize if this is, you know, not fair, but at a relatively young age to like, it's quite incredible what you've achieved and quite inspiring. How did you go about doing that? And was it scary?

Annie Liao: Definitely very scary when we were trying really new program structures and like. When you like post about your program on LinkedIn and you're not sure how people will receive it. I think I was pretty lucky in terms of like, I've always been like in the ecosystem for a while. So like felt comfortable exploring and trying to pursue my own thing within it.

Annie Liao: With the accelerators themselves, we are more early stage, I'd say, then a lot of the other accelerators. So for example, in our latest cohort, we're usually like the first step into the ecosystem for people. Off the back of the cohort we ran, we're actually going to do a summary post about this probably in a few weeks time.

Annie Liao: But for example, one of them isn't like white combinator, another one just raised from like USBC. Mary Technology announced like their 1. 35 mil pre seed round. Jack just got a term sheet from Galileo. And I know two of them didn't start me and won the tech stars now. So I think we saw a very sweet spot in the ecosystem in terms of like equity free, like I'm just running it for fun because it's a cool thing to do for people.

Annie Liao: People love it. So there's like not too much pressure in terms of like competing with people. It's more, can we just like build something really cool, which people in the ecosystem respect essentially.

Georgie Healy: Yeah, it's incredible. The impact you guys have made on a relatively short amount of time. Everyone's aware of build club and the momentum you guys are having is incredible.

Georgie Healy: I do remember in the early days of build club, you wrote this on LinkedIn and you mentioned that traditional accelerators and in some ways, Have failed startups and you hope to reinvent the relationship between founders and incubators. Or maybe I'm paraphrasing that terribly, but how do you hope to give founders something different that adds so much value?

Georgie Healy: You know, I've definitely been asked so many times about my experience in accelerators, cause there is that kind of

Annie Liao: polarity

Georgie Healy: of like, it's terrible or it's amazing.

Annie Liao: Yeah, so with BuildClub's Accelerator, a lot of it was inspired by what we saw in like, the San Francisco tech scenes, where there's a lot more culture of people like paying for it, helping each other, people live in hacker houses together, and it's just a really fun vibe.

Annie Liao: So we really wanted to try to bring that spirit to BuildClub. And in terms of Accelerate itself, we focused on a very specific persona of Builder. So the latest Accelerate cohort we ran, everyone was basically a solo founder and had to be able to code. And the reason why we did that is because So people had more to connect on.

Annie Liao: And we literally just took like the top builders in our community. Some of them were just tinkering on the side and then with our accelerator, we helped them go like full time into that idea. And a lot of it is just like, how can we like bring together really like minded people and just like support them where they need it.

Georgie Healy: Amazing. You and I have like a VC background, quite a technical background, very metrics driven. How do you identify metrics? But how can you know if these startups are succeeding? Like they've all got different goals, I'm guessing. It's all very early stage. How do you know if you're achieving what you want to achieve?

Annie Liao: I think BC is always a game of chance. When we were selecting our cohort, I did, I interviewed every single person and a lot of it is just based off. I think the best founders are super resilient and you can tell, like, they're probably being traumatized in some type of past life or have had to work through something like a really hard scenario.

Annie Liao: And I think building a startup is just surviving and not giving up. So for our cohort, a lot of it was just like vibe check, to be honest. And a lot of the people, because they had been coming like to build club for a while, we knew they were ambitious and we knew that what they were building was pretty cool.

Annie Liao: Um, cause we had, I'd like to say like a deep understanding of the AI space. Cause. We run like an AI community and see a lot of the discussion and like what tools builders are really interested in using. So I think all those things helped us build conviction a lot. And the founders, a lot of them were pre idea almost at that stage.

Annie Liao: And we just like help them, give them like the knowledge, which they might not be familiar with. And that stuff is more on like the cap raising side.

Georgie Healy: Yeah, very rewarding role as well. You touched upon San Fran and for the longest time and still the debate of whether startups from Australia need to relocate or have a co founder move to America or San Fran to get the investment support they need or not.

Georgie Healy: We recently had Christine from Brainland. Experiencing a bit of a ceiling with health tech and AI here in Australia. Talk to me about the San Fran part of the cohort. And do you think there is a bit of a ceiling in Australia before, like to grow and to scale? Yes, I will be careful how I answer this one.

Georgie Healy: In an externally able to be shared format.

Annie Liao: Like I've always really liked the Australian tech ecosystem. When I was in uni, like I met Michael Bacco from StartMe, who I asked to like Like an advisor on like this mini entrepreneurship program I was running in university and then had always like being in and out of like the start mate circles and everything for a while.

Annie Liao: So like, I do think our ecosystem is like maturing with time and all our VCs are very, very friendly and just generally nice people. So I think that's really amazing. I think San Francisco, the tech scene is more mature. Just because they have been around for longer and have seen the circle effect of like exits and then the founders who exit then like going back and giving back to the ecosystem.

Annie Liao: I think we're at that point now with like Canva and like a few other startups. So I think that's like pretty exciting to see. I guess like with Google hearing a lot of chatter, uh, there's little startups who are raising like at the moment or just closed rounds. Like for example, two startups. In our accelerator have us lead investors and for them, they were able to get, to be honest, just like a better valuation and the faster decision to, yes, I'd say like, if you're raising money, you should definitely try us and Australia, but I don't think you'll accept back.

Annie Liao: Also, if you just choose this really in BC is. It's

Georgie Healy: quite an interesting insight. I, uh, recently spoke to one of the mentors for our accelerator, who's originally from the U S and just said that they were dismayed at the lack of support here. And I always thought there was a ton of support. So, so it's really interesting to hear.

Georgie Healy: It's a great takeaway that if you're looking to raise that perhaps don't limit your pool of options. So no, a few trends since I first. Started in the Australian startup ecosystem. I remember everyone used to be in stealth mode and it used to be very desirable to be in stealth mode. And now I'm noticing, and perhaps you are too, that this like build in public persona has come out from founders.

Georgie Healy: Do you think that this is benefiting your AI founders to build in public or, or does it depend on the startup? I'd say

Annie Liao: it's very startup dependent. There are still a lot of people in build club who build. In stealth mode, a cool trend or like one thing I think is really taking off is like founder led sales.

Annie Liao: So a lot of the time when people actually post in public, it's to drive a particular like CTA for their startup, for example, to like set up to a demo or a wait list. And I think if you share what you're building, a lot more people buy into your journey and also like support you. As you grow, go up and down like the startup rollercoaster.

Annie Liao: Yeah, it's really a mixed bag. I know in build club, we always encourage building in public because then that way the community can like help

Georgie Healy: each other out. I think it reminds me of LinkedIn or social media in general. Some people love it and are so good at it and it helps their personal brand. Some people.

Georgie Healy: Just rub people up the wrong way, or it comes across like self congratulatory, and it's like, you should not be posting. So I'm actually on LinkedIn. So it reminds me a little bit of that. So your background in VC, no doubt, got a view on how to best support your cohort in terms of how to pitch to investors and how to go to market.

Georgie Healy: But for these founders in their infancy, team building, is that something that you cover or you focus on the solo founder and developing team building?

Annie Liao: I'm pretty opinionated about this. I think with AI, like anyone can run a startup with a very, very small, tiny team. My view on like the future of work is that In future, all work will be done through, or collect bounties, and then it will be people who have like swarms of agents or their startup, like solving bounties.

Annie Liao: And that's how jobs will be done in future. I think AI democratizes a lot of things. And one of those things is building a startup with a lot less resources than before. So for example, maybe if you had to hire like free software engineers. Before you now probably only have to hire one and they can use like cursor or co pilot tools to increase their output.

Annie Liao: So I'm, I'm very passionate about like solopreneurship and that in future people will be able to bootstrap their way to profitability and that our whole ways of working are just going to change now with AI.

Georgie Healy: Amazing. Great insight. I have kind of more insights in a slightly later, closer to series age stage where their technology and engineering talent is phenomenal.

Georgie Healy: Possibly because they have capital, right? And they've already established their platform by that point. But when they seem to fall over, it's a little bit like accidental incorrect hires or, or more personal team related relationships. But what about the earliest stage startups? Where do they fall down most?

Georgie Healy: Where do they need the most support overall?

Annie Liao: I think it's a long running joke in pill club that people. don't like to talk to customers that much. So I think as a technical like founder, which is to be honest, probably the majority of people in book club at the moment are on like the more technical track.

Annie Liao: It's encouraging them to like validate their ideas in market early. Um, not just build it for themselves, but also try test with customers and see if it's a product that will serve more than just one person. Yeah.

Georgie Healy: It's really hard. I, I am not an actual founder because you get really. Excited by your own idea, right?

Georgie Healy: And then the idea that someone might not like it, it's so painful. Like it's awful. Yeah. What's more painful is pushing it down the hill for three years and knowing that no one will ever actually buy it. So that's, that's good advice for your founders. Okay. A little bit more about the technology. This is in the blink of an eye.

Georgie Healy: So we, we do touch on technology a lot in other episodes. Are you affiliated with any particular tech companies at BuildClub? Do your founders get credits? Like how, how do you play in that space?

Annie Liao: It's a really great question. So BuildClub at the moment. So, with our e learning platform, what we're actually doing is going out there and partnering with a lot of the AI startups and developer tools who are used by people in our community.

Annie Liao: So, what we've done is like curated, essentially, a lot of DevTools into, um, What we call like e learning like bite sized project based learning courses and our vision is to democratize like access so anyone can like pick up AI tools and build anything they want. So we have, I think, actually more than 20 partnerships with dev tool companies.

Annie Liao: Most of them are based out of San Francisco at the moment. A few, like, cool ones we've locked in recently, I guess, would include, like, Cohere, where they're supporting us with, like, credits, and we're partnering on, like, an agentic RAG tutorial. Blandado. ai, we also have some really exciting stuff in the works with, um, and even more specific tools, like Bland.

Annie Liao: ai, where they are, like, a voice API company. Really amazing founders, and we're collaborating on some, like, project based learning tutorials with them, too.

Georgie Healy: Oh, and when can we look at this library? I genuinely want to have a look. It

Annie Liao: sounds incredible. We're currently in closed beta. I'm not sure when this episode will come out.

Annie Liao: We will probably be live by then. Yay! Um, touch words. But yeah, I think in earlier, in September, we ran like a closed beta bootcamp where we onboarded 100 people into our platform. And that was, Interesting, both for bug bashing and figuring out how people interact with our learning courses. So at the moment we're just like building up more curriculum and trying to make it a very Good user experience for people that

Georgie Healy: want to learn AI.

Annie Liao: I'm

Georgie Healy: very excited. That's that's amazing news. And how do you rationalize what to offer? Do you do any pre filtering in your mind of like, this is what's best for you at this stage, based on your experience with the founders, or do you just give them everything and let them play and choose for themselves?

Annie Liao: I think what we've learned with AI, because it's such a new concept is people like to be put in very streamlined, like this is what you should learn next if this is like the role outcome you want to be. So at the moment we have like a few learning tracks in the platform. Probably the most popular one so far, or like in demand is like the AI engineering career track where we take software engineers and help them become AI engineers.

Annie Liao: We also have like a product manager one where for PMs, the whole role is transitioning now that a lot of products which are built have to. Encompass some element of AI. So what we do when people join the platform is we have like an AI, like quiz, which people take when they join and we bucket them into specific categories and then off the back of that recommend specific.

Annie Liao: career tracks. And we're partnered with our dev role lead, like teaches AI at MIT. So our curriculum is like very frontier and very up to date too.

Georgie Healy: Wow. Okay. Put your investor hat back on for a moment. Just a moment. I know that you and I both kind of threw those off a little while ago. Vertical ai.

Georgie Healy: Horizontal ai. I've interviewed founders in both areas. I asked VCs this, I can't seem to to think one's better than the other, but I love to hear people's personal take at Bill Club. Do you sway anyone? Do you direct them in any particular lane? ? Very

Annie Liao: good question. I've seen both work. So for example, when we were at Relevance ai.

Annie Liao: We had a very horizontal focus where we were automating jobs to be done. I think that works well for very repetitive tasks. Seeing what's been happening in ThoughtClub is that AI at the moment is still very, very early. It has to be very customized for it to work effectively. So I'd say Link. Probably one of the most surprising things we've found is that more than 50 percent of people in build club do like AI consulting on the side.

Annie Liao: And the rationale behind that is because there is still an element of like AI nervousness with people. And especially for small to medium businesses who have no idea what AI is sometimes having someone like handheld and like guide you through that process. And that's there to help service is very, very important.

Annie Liao: And I think it will be that way for a very long time in future. So I definitely say. Both could work, but they both have to be very customized and tailored for AI to actually do what it's meant to do and drive business value.

Georgie Healy: Amazing. Okay. Well, this is perfect for my next question. Recently, quite a hot tech article was written about yourself and Build Club in Sydney Morning Herald, which I mean, you're always in the papers, Annie, you're pretty famous these days.

Georgie Healy: It was called meet the Australians leaving their jobs for AI. And it was published a little bit earlier this year. Do you see that trend continuing? Do you see people leaving their day jobs to have a play in AI? Through what I've seen in Build

Annie Liao: Club? Yes, I'd say it. It's more like a lot of people stay in their current companies and it's more reskilling or like changing jobs slightly.

Annie Liao: I think AI is happening now, like if businesses don't adapt now, your competitors are going to be like leveraging AI and you are going to fall behind. And there's already really great like ROI, which businesses are seeing from AI. So I think it's very, very hot at the moment. And it's different to Web3 in terms of the small push factor in terms of like.

Annie Liao: People need it and there's real results. So I'd say like in build club, we've seen people go from having like no AI knowledge and being like maybe like a growth marketer to then getting a job at like relevance AI, for example, as an AI engineer. So I think that if there's any time to like get on top of like the AI curve and learn AI skills.

Annie Liao: It should be now.

Georgie Healy: So this is perfect because you yourself, Annie, seem to get on top of curves before we even know that they're curves. I feel like you were in very prestigious consulting when everyone wanted to be in the top three and then you switched from that to VC before, you know, VC exploded here.

Georgie Healy: And then I started an AI accelerator. From a very, very sought after VC role, which you were killing as well, how do you keep predicting these curves ahead of time, honey? And what is your advice to people out there like that might have a really good stable job, but there might be opportunities. How do you approach it?

Annie Liao: I think I'm always like learning and making mistakes behind the scenes. I think for me. Like everything I've done, I've just worked really hard at everything. The one thing which is in my control is like effort and like putting effort into things and doing them well. And I think when you prove that you can execute on things and even if you might not be, like, for example, for me, I didn't know much about community building before.

Annie Liao: I think if you can outwork everyone, you can always. I guess like grow pack your way and make things happen. So I think like really cool, like how I like to work is always trying to do things like as well as I can. And also a bit of luck swinkled in there too. Like I was very lucky that the role at like Aura Benches came up when it did and to get like a referral into that role.

Annie Liao: I was very lucky again to like build more relationship with the relevant AI founders and then have that role open up. And then again, with like the capital raise and everything with build club, uh, having investors who just like believed in the journey and what we were building. I think there's always like an element of luck there

Georgie Healy: along with like.

Georgie Healy: A lot to unpack there. Definitely can vouch for how hard you work and people seeing that and And sometimes that can just be enough. You only have to work what, 20 percent harder than everyone else. And then the opportunities really do open up. Right. I say only, I know that you probably work weekends, most weekends and things like that, but still like your, your career has been absolutely incredible.

Georgie Healy: We'd love to hear a little bit about the build club raise. Was that on the cards? Was that part of your goals for the business or, or it kind of just one thing led to another.

Annie Liao: Yeah, it was definitely more along the ladder lines, so one thing leading to another. I guess like stemming back to BuildClub's origins, like it just started out for fun, as like a fun co working thing for me and like a bunch of friends.

Annie Liao: on Sunday to do. It then grew into like a weird AI accelerator where we were running accelerators, but weren't taking equity and just doing it for fun. I think where we're heading with BuildClub now is very much what will enable us to have like the most impact for the people in our community, like the builders and like people that want to learn AI.

Annie Liao: We actually had the opportunity to take on like a small, Yeah, like angel round earlier in the year, I didn't think I was ready for that. And we were still experimenting with like what we wanted to turn build club into. And I knew that if I wanted to go like full time into something, I wanted to like, believe it 100 percent that we could build like something really big out of it.

Annie Liao: I think with the race itself. Again, a mix of luck and I guess just like war clubs community growing quite a lot and us getting more conviction in what we could grow book club into, which is like democratizing access to AI. So very lucky to have like the investors we have. buy into the journey early. A lot of them were part of BuildClub's journey, even from when we were still co working on Sundays.

Annie Liao: It's, yeah, really lucky just to have had, for example, like Alicia from Airtree, like the first meeting I had with her, she said, this could be something big. It could be something similar to like Cloudior. And I think actually at that point in my head, I wasn't sure if I wanted to go full time on it, to be honest.

Annie Liao: But just having people who went and like, Oh, this is going to remain like a small community and have them actually like back me to see like the bigger vision. I think also helped me build a lot more conviction, like myself and like what it can be. We still do have like a really long road ahead and there's like, there's going to be a lot more mistakes made on the way, but for now we just have like a really strong vision, which we're chasing and I'm excited to

Georgie Healy: like build it out.

Georgie Healy: Yeah, just a few more questions on it, because so many people would love to know. We see the articles, we see the success stories, and I haven't seen anything like it in the Australian ecosystem. So it's, it's a genuinely a fascinating story. Number one, Whatever you're comfortable sharing, it all looks so positive.

Georgie Healy: And so like success after success, hockey stick graph, you know, classic, classic story. But what was the most challenging part about building it? I think because we started

Annie Liao: off as a community and then have like evolved in terms of like, we're not just serving founders. Now we're serving people that want to learn AI.

Annie Liao: I think me navigating that aspect was like pretty confusing personally because I thought we were just gonna have like a small community and now Like we're a founder trying to build like a movement of like helping people access AI. I think that's been like rewarding, also slightly confusing along the way.

Annie Liao: Um, I think another big area which we need to pay more attention to is definitely like diversity and inclusion. I think because BuildClub in the beginning, we focused a lot on technical founders who we tried to make like go hardcore and like work as hard as they could on like a project and dropped everything else in their life.

Annie Liao: Like, diversity, like, wasn't front of mind for that, and we didn't make as much space as we should have been. I think now, with a vision where we're more about, like, equal access to AI, diversity and inclusion is, like, a big area we are fighting to make a bigger impact

Georgie Healy: in. Amazing. And, finally, Do you have a, uh, consulting terminology and Northstar for the company?

Georgie Healy: What kind of mark would you hope to leave on the Australian startup ecosystem?

Annie Liao: For BuildCloud Vision, we want to be the go to place for anyone that wants to learn AI in the world. We think that we can re skill and up skill as many people as possible so they can be empowered by AI, not just sitting on the sidelines.

Annie Liao: I think it's a side effect of that. We are working towards a world where we think that way. Jobs to be done in future will be done through what we call like bounties, and that everyone will have to use AI in their roles, and we just know that we want to play like a very big role. impactful part of that and also move the world towards like safe AI too.

Georgie Healy: Amazing. Goosebumps. Okay. So I like to always finish the blink of an eye podcast with some rapid fire questions. I say something, you tell me the first thing that comes into your head. Some of them are spicy, some of them are not. How does it sound? Sounds good to me. Okay. Open source or closed source? Open source.

Georgie Healy: Oh, that was easy. Okay. Easier than I thought.

Annie Liao: AI chatbot of choice. Claude, um, by Nendropic. Very, very popular at the moment. Why do you like that one? Um, all the devs we work with say it is magical what it does and can generate almost like whole apps end to end.

Georgie Healy: Incredible. Um, Angels or VCs? Both. That's too mean.

Georgie Healy: Uh, Stealth mode or building in public? We did touch on this. Uh, building in public. And finally, what would you like to shout out for the people that are listening that they need to know about Build Club?

Annie Liao: I'd probably say if you are looking to be more aware of AI or really want to get a grasp of it, or if you're like feeling scared by it, come hang out with people at BuildClub.

Annie Liao: We're very, very friendly and just like an open community and like a place where you can go to like learn what it means for you.

Georgie Healy: Amazing, Annie. So much for speaking with me, absolutely love learning about, you know, whether to stay in Australia or into the U S persona that you're going for with the solo AI founders, you know, so much I learned in such short space of time.

Georgie Healy: I'm pumped to see the, the library of resources. I think I have no excuse, but to get a little bit more involved in learning about AI. Um, and I don't want to wait until it's actually. Gotten too far ahead where I get to get a little bit scared about getting involved because everyone seems to know about it and I don't.

Georgie Healy: Thank you so much for joining me. Thank you so much for having me. I really appreciate the chat. Chat soon.

Annie Liao: Bye.

Georgie Healy: Thank you for listening to In the Blink of AI. You can check out the show notes for anything discussed in this week's episode, and we will be back next week. This podcast was produced by Day One, with music by Dan Hanson and visual artwork by Sophie Tyrell.

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